i am not a scientist so i do bow to others superior knowledge on this site regarding these subjects (and welcome their input) but what is to stop these two theories both being proven so that they both apply to our origins.. what is to stop a creator creating evolution as a process just as a creator would create the laws of physics etc?
it would be akin to starting the ball rolling in creation terms and letting it carry on until the highest lifeform is present.
could scientific theory support this view perhaps?.
God not proving its existence to us
Sorry, just spotted that.
This has always intrigued and bothered me as well.
But... what would it take for you to believe in a living God?
(no jokes please and try to avoid sarcastic quips if possible)
A friend of mine has actually reported ' things ' sitting on the end of his bed by the way, yet does not believe in anything aside from the version of reality he gained through university
i am not a scientist so i do bow to others superior knowledge on this site regarding these subjects (and welcome their input) but what is to stop these two theories both being proven so that they both apply to our origins.. what is to stop a creator creating evolution as a process just as a creator would create the laws of physics etc?
it would be akin to starting the ball rolling in creation terms and letting it carry on until the highest lifeform is present.
could scientific theory support this view perhaps?.
one can say god is comprised of everything and we are part of that everything
Which I am starting to believe, but that does not mean that God is necessarily lacking in personality due to being 'all things' seen & unseen.
Onto other points that just sprang to mind (a pot-pourri of ideas):
Science often works upon the basis of hypothesis, which exists initially within the imagination of course.
Imagination by its very nature is unseen to the outside world, yet has form and in someways is felt by the originator.
So, invisible realties do exist, have form and can be felt. When you fly through your dreams, I can't see you, I can't feel you, yet you exist in some form.
What actually defines reality? What actually defines consciousness?
If a warm fuzzy feeling exists for a prolonged period of time and motivates a person to great deeds, does this make the original concept that inspired this direction any less real and provable, than say, relativity?
Personally, I believe the two ideas of evolution & creation exist quite happily, side by side. That is not to say that I am putting forward the idea that we as humans developed from a soup - as a friend of mine put it, "we are toilets with wings" (physical and spiritual) IMO.
This age of so-called logic and reason has not necessarily usurped the position of instinct/intuition, although it appears that way upon the surface.
Whatever we define life to be, in terms of that indistinguishable force that pushes us forwards and onwards and enables our perception of time and matter, then it surely is a marvel and an amazing living energy. That energy to me is God and it has inbuilt laws that guide the universe.
We, I believe, squash that living energy out of shape when we attempt to apply human logic to it.
It exists within me and within you, if you like it or not, and it has the ability to adapt and survive in any which way it chooses.
ok, if any of you have read the other thread about ghosts, you will remember that i dont care too much for them!
just a few minutes ago my daugter told me she had a weird one last night here in the house, where i have never had a problem.
she was in the bathroom brushing her teeth, and "one "of the holders on the counter that are all made of heavy glass, started shaking back and forth like crazy.
Ok, Carmel, I have not made any comments to you yet. You seem to alway's come and bash me in all my threads!
Hehe - beware starting threads like this one my friend. I have tried in the past, believe me. The skeptic loves to wade in with glances of incredulous snobbery.
I have a friend who has had these experiences throughout his life and I have been happy to listen with an open heart and mind to his experiences.
There is no way that we can say for sure whether you have a spirit in your house, but I'm still willing to take a leap of faith.
i know there's a lot of elder bashing here.
most of it is quite justified.
i'm curious as to whether all your dealings with the elders were horrible.
That depends. From person to person, some were ok and quite caring.
We had a mix of 50% carers and 50% 'sledge hammer wielders' in my cong.
One elder was a genuinely warm hearted and caring man, and I had no problems with him at all.
I found most, sadly, to be quite distant emotionally and the ones who simply ' toed the company line ' were very robotic and cold.
They are not all nasty, cold hearted, dim-witted window cleaners
i've taken a leaf from holly's book to thank your for having me on the forum - thirteen interesting days but came to realise one cannot achieve much speaking from behind a screen.
people do not know who you really are, nor do you they.
i read many of holly's posts but few others.
I just know that you will read this thread again!
It's a human thing.
just for a moment imagine that you are talking to a person and he mentions to you that you have to baptize animals in order to be saved or that you have to believe in the trinity doctrine that is composed of god the father, god the son and god the mother(mary) would you believe that these were some of the things early christians believed in.
would you be shocked to know that many dates were set for jesus to rapture up the christians in the sky and nothing materalized?
many born-again christians argue you down tooth and nail stating that born-again christianity does not have skelatons in their closets like the mormons and jw's but the truth of the matter born-again christianity has many, many embarassing skelatons.
It is my understanding that the term 'born again' is used by a Christian who is not bound by a sect but is a freeman through Christ; extending him/herself outwards towards the general Christian community.
But, I may be wrong.
in recent weeks, we've had a few jw apologists or sympathizers that have created a bit of a stir around these parts.
some of their posts have been inconsiderate of the feelings of others, causing no small amount of understandable outrage on several threads.
on other threads, some of them have frequently failed to even read the posts to which they are responding, causing them to make comments that are unrelated to the discussion at hand.
Every sword of truth needs a grinding stone to sharpen its edges
i've wasted most of a day putting this quiz together.
it's only 10 questions, please give it a go and see what you get!.
if you think it could make a decent anti-witnessing tool, i might dress it up with links to the quotes site and the watchtower site to prove the accuracy of the points made.. if you see any inaccuracies or misleading comments, please let me know.. url = http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-quiz.php (embedded below).
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Hey - I don't drive! Another option is needed.
What about a section on facial hair and grooming?
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Thanks for uploading and your comments. Thought provoking stuff.
just for a moment imagine that you are talking to a person and he mentions to you that you have to baptize animals in order to be saved or that you have to believe in the trinity doctrine that is composed of god the father, god the son and god the mother(mary) would you believe that these were some of the things early christians believed in.
would you be shocked to know that many dates were set for jesus to rapture up the christians in the sky and nothing materalized?
many born-again christians argue you down tooth and nail stating that born-again christianity does not have skelatons in their closets like the mormons and jw's but the truth of the matter born-again christianity has many, many embarassing skelatons.
Be extremely present in this moment.
That is a very true statement.
I'm sure that Christianity if used correctly can provide the same degree of enlightenment.
Staying alert and awake are part of the scriptures
